Most biblical scholars and theologians, or at least those that fall within the purview of my knowledge, believe that Job lived after Noah and the great flood, and before Moses. In those days there were no commandments and men and women lived by their own conscience. Then as now, those close to God lived within the guidance of the Holy Spirit. But even within that guidance, there was much about God that they did not understand– again, then as now.
For instance, Job and his ilk believed that God rewarded the good people of the earth and punished the bad. And so, even though Job was a humble man, it made perfect sense to him that he was immensely blessed with children, land and riches; he was a good man in every way that he (and, by extension, we) was able to comprehend goodness.
Satan knew that God favored Job and this incurred the devil’s wrath. He attempted to make a wager with the Lord regarding Job. God allowed him to do so.
Satan bet the Lord that if Job lost all his wealth, his health and the lives of his children, he would curse God. So God allowed Satan to strike Job in all of these torturous ways, but he did not permit him to take Job’s life.
Job suffered immensely, profoundly. But he never cursed God. Though God did not personally strike Job himself, he allowed Satan to do it. Why?
There’s no doubt that Job was an innocent man, that he was a good man. The first two chapters of Job make that clear.
Or do they?
Jesus Christ explained the conundrum this way when a young man knelt in front of him asking, “good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied to him,“why do you call me good? Only God is truly good.” Mark 10: 18-19
And when a woman, caught in the act of adultery, an offense punishable by death under the commandments, was brought to Jesus, to be judged by him, he said to her accusers, “if any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:6
So the reality is that Job was as good and as innocent as he could be, which means, in actuality, he was neither. He was human. And though he was the best person in the world at that particular time, he was still a sinner and, as such, is on the same earth with the rest of us–an earth that is susceptible to nature and her wrath, when we are deplorable caretakers and when we are innocent; an earth that is governed by her rules, i.e., only the strong survive, the largest predator is king and everyone and everything is there for betterment of the of the masterful few, until an act of nature levels the playing field so that we start the whole process over and over again.
It didn’t have to be this way. There was a perfect way, in the garden of Eden–a paradise of perfection on earth–with a twist in the mix . Free will.
God gave the prototypes of humanity the ability to reason and to discern, the capacity to choose. In other words, he gave us free will. Why did he do this? Why, when he could have avoided this whole mess, so that we, the offspring of Adam and of Eve, could reside with them and him, in an earthly paradise of perfection forever?
Why?
Because he loves us. And he trusts us. Even still. Because he loves us, he doesn’t want us under his thumb. He doesn’t want us to be robots controlled to conform to his will.
And because he loves us, he wants to be loved by us. Truly loved. Purely loved. He wants this, as we do because we were made in his image; because God is love. Genesis 1:27; 1 John 4:8
So then, if he loves us, why didn’t/doesn’t God destroy Satan?
It is my belief that Satan is a fallen angel. (This is somewhat controversial in the Judaeo Christian tradition, though, once again, most–not all–of the theologians that I am familiar with confirm my belief.) Within my purview, Satan too has free will, as do all of the angels.
Satan led a revolt against God in heaven, before the creation of the world. God overthrew the revolt and cast Satan out of heaven along with the other angels who followed him. God cast him into torment, but he is not confined to the flames of hell. He is a spirit of the air and the ruler of the earth, because we–collectively, as the human race–have chosen him to be the ruler. Isaiah 14:12-15; Ephesians 2:2; 2Corinthians 4:4
God did not destroy Satan, though he surely could have. Perhaps he didn’t because he recognized Satan as an agent of free will, though free will in and of itself is neither good or evil. It is choice. In any event God allowed/allows Satan to be the tempter and the adversary.
Some theologians argue that God created Satan to be these things, that Satan was never an angel and that he was never in the realm of heaven; they argue this or some variation of these theories. I have also heard them theorize that there is no good without the counter point of evil.
There is much that I do not know, but I know what I believe–and I do not believe these things.
I believe that good is stronger than evil. I believe this because I know that God is good. I believe that good stands–not on its own–but on the “shoulders” of God. And I believe that God is love. This is the foundation of my faith and my answer to the conundrum of why.
An interesting explanation of how you arrived at your own beliefs, Pam. I have had some new ‘followers’ this week that have urged me to ‘Embrace the Lord’, and then I will not die from the virus, ecause God will not allow me to. As a non-believer, I have always wondered why so many people who really believe that they will live forever in paradise are so reluctant to leave this earthly life.
I recall reading about the persecution of The Cathars, and how some walked willingly into the flames at their executions, showing no distress. It struck me that they really did believe they would be going to a better place.
Best wishes, Pete.
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Thank you, Pete. I appreciate you reading. I did not know of The Cathars. I looked them up. I, likewise, appreciate you mentioning them. Very interesting.
Yes, I will admit that I do not want to leave this earth. I do not want to die. But I am at peace–as much as I am capable–with my precarious place in this world and the reality that any day could be my last. Their are more faithful Christians than I, who do not fear death in any regard. I hope to one day be that strong in my faith.
I understand those who urge you to “Embrace the Lord,” but you have made your beliefs known–and I am glad. I believe in the free flow of ideas and the respectful discourse concerning ideas. I also believe that any of us, believer or non-believer can fall prey to this terrible virus.
All of that said, I hope than neither one of us gets sick, or worse.
–Pam
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I have a lot of respect for the Cathars. I get a lot of their way of thinking when it comes to faith. Sort of ‘Socialism’ in a religious context.
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Yes. I can see that. The early Christians were very much like that. They sold their belongs and contributed it to the church to be distributed, fairly, amongst themselves. There are examples of this in the New Testament.
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The possibilities are quite diverse: If you look at the history of the world, can the belief in god end with a military operation and mass destruction – or with the successful establishment of a world religion.
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No. It can’t. Not for me.
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It is interesting to try and explain God’s purpose and try to wrap one’s head around theology. I know that to embrace Universalism is a cop out, yet, I feel it a ridiculous notion to claim to know anything about God and religion. I have a son-in-law who is a pastor. He vehemently believes that those who are not Christian will go to hell. I asked, “Billions of people who don’t believe Christ is their Lord are going to Hell?” He said yes. I just can’t subscribe to that. I believe with my heart and try to keep my head out of the relationship.
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Sometimes Christians over emphasis one aspect of Christianity to the exclusion of other equally important aspects. Of course, I don’t know if your son-in-law does that or not.
There are those who emphasize Christ as judge and his demand that we follow him (the personification of God–The Father, Christ and The Holy Spirit) and him only.
There are those who emphasize the humanity and good will of Christ, his gentleness and his humility of spirit. The truth is that both aspects of Christ and Christianity are true according to the New Testament. Both the New and the Old Testament are the foundation of my knowledge of God. But I know him in other ways too. I know him through nature. I know him through my senses and through my intellect. I don’t claim to know everything or that everything I know is right. I am a person of faith. And that is what I’m doing–sharing my faith. My faith can be contentious. It can be upsetting. My faith can be kind. It can be uplifting. My faith can be judgmental and it can be merciful. It is mine, but it was given to me. I don’t speak from authority, for I have no authority. I speak from my experience and from my knowledge and from my faith. That is all I can do.
–Pam
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Well said, my friend!
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I know different people have different interpretations of the Bible. Two people can read the same verse and get two different meanings. Were the translations correct? If a should or could is wrong…we have a different outcome. The more I learn the more I’m concerned if I’m doing the right thing in life…if that makes any sense. I think back now and I made some bad choices that I didn’t know were bad choices at the time.
I do believe God is good and good is stronger than evil because good is built on principles…evil is built on the lazy way out…the easy way. It’s much easier being evil than good. It’s like building a house on rock or building it on the sand. With good, you have a foundation.
I’m not one to debate this because I know so little but I believe similarly as you. We both have similar religious backgrounds as far as the church. What I read in black and white is what I believe to be true in the Bible. When people start adding things or different ways I always wonder…where did you get that? But maybe they interpret something differently…but sometimes I think they just use their own judgment on what they think it should be.
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I agree, Max. I think there is a sweet spot, in between the rigid, literal interpretation of the Bible and a more fluid interpretation that often comes with log jams of skepticism and intellectualism. I’m always reminded of Jesus’ admonition that we worship in Spirit and in Truth. I think that admonition applies to our study of the Bible as well. But I lean more toward the Spirit in so much as, I believe that the Holy Spirit will help interpret the Bible.
And that’s where the personal aspect of faith comes in for me. I can tell of my experiences. I can tell of my interpretation, if you will, but I will not deny someone else who, in good faith, has a different interpretation. But that’s me. Of course, if some Ku Klux Klan member wants to tell me that the gospel of Christ advocates a racial hierarchy, I’m going to dispute that with every fiber of my being. That’s just one example of many out right apostasies than I will not tolerate.
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I do try to study…sometimes I admit…the more I know the more I’m confused I get but you have to keep working at it. I think he wants you to work at it because you find out more about yourself as you go along…good and bad. I think it’s not easy on purpose so we have to dig and think. Or I could be completely wrong!
Some people use it as an evil thing…that is what gives Christians a bad rap.
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Max, I believe, with all my heart, that the Lord will continue to guide you. Your journey is fluid, there are times when you will see clearly; there will be other times when you can barely see at all, but God will guide you. You have a humble heart–and you desire to do the right thing. That’s what it takes.
–Pam
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Thanks Pam.
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